See below for a dialogue on this issue
The Ribbons shown
are but a few of the examples I have, everytime I get a new batch from
somewhere, new varieties show up.
Also as stated
on the top of pages of copies of Wolf-Brown charts that I have
"Colors on this
chart may vary in shades from the actual ribbon due to one being of printed
matter and the other of a dyed rayon material"
I would think
this illustrates that for some, color has been an issue for some time.
Same Ribbon- Different user see below
center Current CA. N.G. Service Medal WB 4021 Colors, width differ Bottom is older-Center newest-Yellow vs Orange |
NJ. N.G. Recruiting 4 types-Colors, width differ |
NJ. N.G. Good Conduct Colors differ TOP=WB4027 bottom is GRACO R#1049 |
Coast Guard Auxillary |
Coast Guard Auxillary |
WB3507 Colors differ-Top is newest-11/2011 NG CA. S.M.R. Achievemen-Meritorious Achievement Medal NG GA. S.D.F. Unit Comm. Awd.. (Frame) NG IN. G.R. Achievement Ribbon NG MA. S.G. Meritorious Achievement Ribbon NG WA. N.G. Unit Citation Award NG WA. N.G. Unit Citation Award-Var.2=Frame |
WB3625 Colors differ-Top is newest-11/2011 Green vs Green Society NRA Yellow Awards Society Polish War Veterans USANG CA Recruiting Achievement USANG WA ANG Victory Ribbon USASch-AFROTC Chennault Trophy |
CA. N.G. Outstanding Unit Citation WB3627 Colors differ Bottom is newest-top,Center older Yellow vs Orange on bottom |
Military O/O the Loyal Legion top is older Ribbon-35mm bottom is new and is 36mm |
Civil War, 1st Type Colors and some widths differ appears different makers-newer type for both |
WB4015 Top oldest 4 NG users Width=1.375 1/8-1/8-1/16-3/4 1/16-3/32-3/32-7/8 3/32-1/8-3/32-3/4 |
MD. N.G. Outs. Unit Award Colors, width differ Top is older-Gold vs Orange |
England 1914-15 Star |
Society of American Military Enginners 1.50in at top current below |
Civil Air Patrol Cadet Orientation Pilot= color/width Cadet Recruiter Ribbon= color/width |
1=Sons of American Revolution (Senior ROTC) -Vanguard 2=?? 3=American Veterans of WW2 (AMVETS)-Vanguard 4=?? 5=DAR Jr. ROTC-Vanguard 6=?? 7=?? |
WB3713/GRACO R#1154 bottom is oldest, N.S. Meyer flat style 5 different version, color varation and widths 19 NG users, mainly as Active Duty Basic Tng. Ribbon Width 36=3-11-10-10-2 36=3-10-10-10-3 35=4-9-10-9-3 1&7/16=1/16-15/32-3/8 1.375=1/16-7/16-3/8 |
Civil Air Patrol Old Red Service Ribbon |
WW1 Belgian Croix de Guerre different color shades |
Civil Air Patrol Leadership Ribbon Colors shades |
Netherlands O/O Orange of Nassau |
In response
to a question about the CAP Recruiter Ribbon ABOVE.
Difference in shades of Blue and Red as well as in widths of the
segments.
As the top of this page talks of, most every time a Ribbon is made [
unless it is a Mil-Spec Ribbon ] there tends to be variations
in color [ as well as widths for each segment in some cases ] as the
page shows with examples.
So to say that one is older or ??? would mean that you would have to
have an example of the ribbon when it first came out with detailed order
sheets specifying the color dyes and widths to compare against. Also
be aware that older dyes are no longer allowed as they were considered
harmful to the environment.
The newer ones are thus different in how they reflect color due
to its base makeup and I have been told that the dye process is like a
work of Art, different many times for a variety of reasons, Quality
control, pride in ones work, Craftsmanship, etc..
The ribbon a person has could be an old one for them but may be a variation
made after the 1st ones, and since I have never found, nor other long time
collectors, the person who knows or collected all 1st generation examples
with detailed order sheets, it is all a matter of preference unless
one can prove what they think.
The one I have, has been around for some time and is a lighter Blue.
One way to tell age is if the mounting Metal is Steel, for older WW2
ribbons when Brass was needed elsewhere or has an Aluminum mount from the
60-70's when due to the price of cooper it was cheaper to use. Also with
a maker's mark, as G27, that one knows went out of business some time back,
as Wolf-Brown [W22, WB22, WB22-GI, Wolf Brown 22 GI, WB].
But one can always take apart an older Ribbon and put newer cloth on
older mounts, meaning don't pay extra just because it appears older.
I have many older Ribbons and sometimes get Ribbon by the piece and
use up the older mounts for the new ribbon, I am not trying to fool anyone,
it is just re using unwanted material for another purpose.
I never thought that someone would get one of these Ribbons and think
that because the mounting metal was older, that then the Ribbon was older
So really if it makes one happy to have one color vs another, that is the standard for them and is just as valid as any other criteria.
Also, this Ribbon was not just for the CAP, the following used/use
it.
CALIFORNIA – Cadet Corps #42 Orienteering Training Ribbon
CALIFORNIA – SMR Emergency Services Training Ribbon
GEORGIA – State Defense Force Emergency Service School
MASSACHUSETTS – State Guard Emergency Service Training Ribbon
** PHILIPPINES – Distinguished Service Star, Type 1
[ ** some US makers supplied many other countries with Ribbons,
etc. where the US had an interest , especially from my experience South
America with items from N.S. Meyers]
We give them Aid money/Support and thus for varied reasons they bought
US items.